"Kentucky just passed the best law ever. To be on food stamps, Medicaid,or Cash Assistance on your Children or yourself You have to pass a DRUG Test. Now every other state should do the same!!"
William B
"Which one's? Is it fair that someone will be denied food stamps if they test a false positive? Some ant-pyschotic & depression meds (people who are schizophrenic for example) work in the same way as some "illegal" drugs and can give a false positive. Wouldn't it be easier to just make everything legal and tax it like alcohol and cigarettes? Other countries have and the end of the world still hasn't occurred.
Are we really winning the War on Drugs, the war on terrorism, the war on poor people? Man we sure like to use that "war" word.
Larry L.
"If the government can send a man to the moon they can come up with a system for someone who fails a drug test for physche drugs, were not not talking about splitting the atom here. Why is that liberals always have faith in goverment to give out free money but never when it try's to come up with a fair system?"
"Why is that liberals always have faith in goverment to give out free money but never when it try's to come up with a fair system?"
Wm B
"So if you want to go after labels, I have to get in my shot.
So Republicans don't give out free money?? You are kidding right?? We just had a major debate in this country, about extending Bush tax cuts (35% is the highest rate) for the top 2% earners in a DEFICIT ECONOMY. If that is not giving out "FREE MONEY" I don't know what is.
We borrow trillions of dollars from the Arabs and Chinese and put our grandkids in debt, so people with 7, 8, 9, 10- digit salaries can create all those jobs we've had all these last 30 years, when the size of the economy has DOUBLED since Reagan, but no one has a job. That is where your free money is going. We have done it your way now for the last 30 years. When is enough enough??
I will tell you though why Liberals have faith in government. Because the Preamble of the United States says so. The Preamble is a promise to the People that the government has your back. But we have been so wrapped in labels and partisan bickering we forget ultimately that we are ALL Americans."
Larry L
"I don't take it as a shot Billy but rather you are expressing your opinion as we all have on this topic, I used the word liberal to explain that they seem to confuse a great idea with a great system. Helping people who really need it is great but the system is not and both parties are responsible for fixing it. As far as the bush tax cuts I felt the same way as you but I read that it is supposed to help create jobs, I am not a business owner or an economist so I will not debate that with you as I also have no proof. Unlike you though I have no faith in Government right or left."
William B
"I am not an economist either. However, supply-side economics as opposed to demand-side economics just does not work. We have been doing it this way since Reagan. How much longer do we have to keep doing this to realize it's just not working? Tht is not my opinion. That is a fact. Regardless of Democrats and Republicans, but we live in a culture that infantilizes everyone into believing that we are all one lotto game away from being millionaires, so don't touch my [future] taxes. That is just not reality based. Wen Eisenhower was president, the highest tax rate was 91%. Reagan comes in and now it's at 35%! You try and work a budget with your income being slashed that much. We were a great country before and we can do it again. The recipe is there, the willingness is not.
I can REALLY understand why you are so disenchanted with the government because for most of our lives NOTHING goes our way. The rich with there tax breaks haven't created squat except for there own personal bank accounts and the economy is a testament to that. If supply-side economics works, why is everyone broke in a time when corporate profits are at an all time high??
This has all happened before and as the saying goes, those who fail to ignore history are only doomed to repeat it. Charles Dickens, in a "Christmas Carol" and "Tale of Two Cities" (It was the best of times. It was the worst of times) wrote about this almost 200 years ago and still people don't get it. Why? Because we have made the horrible, horrible mistake of corporatizing and consolidating media. What business does News Corproration (a company I personally worked for) have in telling you that unionized labor is good because it keeps out illegal aliens (who drive down the cost of labor) and pays a real living wage.
If you have no faith in govt is because you gave up before you even started to fight. Keeping a true Democracy is pro-active and doesn't mean, so long as you watch Fox News, you are informed. The economy has doubled in size since Reagan and the only one's benefitting are the rich. You have to realize how far to the Right this country has been pulled. We think torture is ok, we think throwing people in jail without charges is OK. Civil Liberties do not grow on trees and the sooner we all realize this, the sooner we can go back to the business of having a truly representative govt, for and by the People."
William B
“We can have democracy . . . or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both.”
-Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
The 2 worst economies in the history of the US (this recession, now called the Great Recession and the Great Depression) have ONE thing in common. Concentrated wealth. 5% of the population, owning 95% of the wealth.
It was FDR's mission to change this. It was called the New Deal and at it's foundation, it was created to PREVENT the next Great Depression. Enter Reagan and the Revolution of Deregulation and Supp Side Economix is on. This was THEE purpose of the Reagan Revolution. Not to move slowly as Lincoln would put it, but to move backwards back to the Gilded Age. If you were wealthy, isn't that what you would want?
'Eggs in one basket???'
Jim G
"Great idea, Jenn. But groups like ACORN will tell them how to circumvent the process."
William B
"ACORN? Care to hit me with some more right-wing talking points? A community organization for reform is a bad thing because EVERYTHING is going swimmingly, right?
If you're self-proclamation of apathety towards politics is correct, I hardly think your opinion matters. Can you at least stand for something besides erroneous and cynical comments?
A majority of those on Food Stamps are single mothers. Single mothers who have already had drug-screening if they have received pre-natal care. So you want to spend 3 more billion dollars to re-screen the majority as you try and catch the vast minority of those who try to rig the system? Is that cost effective? But you want to cynically portray those who are on FS as nothing more then a bunch of drug addicts. I think that is so sad."
Larry L
How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People
by Jim Powell
Cato Institute
William B
"RE: Cato Institute. Sorry Larry. That dog don't hunt. Before the New Deal the elderly live at a 50% poverty rate. For many years that was America's dirty little secret. Fast-foward to present day USA and because of Social Security that rate is now 10%. Is this a bad thing??
THIS is the Cato Institute.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/maps.ph
I think we all have to start to realize who and what we believe in.
"There comes a time in everyone's life that they must determine the truth for themselves." -Mark Twain
Larry if you think i am full shit, please let me know and I will stop wasting everyone's time. But if what I just told you intrigues you in any way, let me know. Like I said before, 'we need you, bro.' But can you really trust ANYTHING that was founded and is financed by Big Oil??
I will go a step further. The Cato Inst. is run by Big Oil. Big Oil is run predominantly by the Koch (pronounced koke) brothers. The Koch brothers bank-rolled a little political movement called the Tea Party. The TP populous movement is financed by billionaires. Is it me or does that sound a little fucked up??
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opini
Jim G
"Right wing talking points? You've been doing nothing but spewing left wing garb. As for ACORN, a community orginization for reform? HA. The video doesn't lie."
William B
"Again. Since Politics isn't your thing, you don't know the difference between Right wing garbage and Left wing garbage. If you watch corporate newsmedia and think Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS is your herald, please don't waste my time. ACORN was one incident and because you saw it on the TV, you would rather prejudicially paint everyone with a very broad brush and throw the baby out with the bath water. That is a very narrow way of looking at one incident, that was blown way out of proportion by the media. The same media who carried Bush's water in his quest for weapons of mass destruction. Doesn't it bother you that the media, who is supposed to look out for our best interests as Americans, did nothing to find out if Bush's war proclaimations were true?? Here we are 2 wars and 10 years later, no one has job and those that do hardly have a cent. All the while we shit out our civil liberties without a thought. Phone tapping is OK. Torture is OK. . Throw somebody in jail with no charges are OK. Do away with the minimum wage, social security, medicare and the VA. OK That DOES sound like a lot of useless garbage."
Jim G
"You are correct. Politics isn't my "thing". Politicians as well as the news media are nothing but puppets for the highest bidder.
I go to work to pay my bills and live my life not to pay someone else's to live theirs.
How did this get from not giving food stamps to drug abusers to Bush's f*ck ups and weapons of mass destruction?"
William B
"My point is if you believe the media lied to you about Iraq and WMDs, then how can you trust them to tell you the truth about ACORN, drug-testing or anything else? I just don't believe that the corporate media makes it is business to tell us the truth. That's all. I said this without making any affiliation to Party until Larry brought up the 'problems with Liberals' and you threw out the part about 'spewing Left wing garbage.' I don't follow politicians, I follow policies. Those politicians who most closely reflect the policies I believe in. I don't root for one side over the other. I want them to root for me.
You are correct when you say "the news media are nothing but puppets for the highest bidder." That's what corporate news is all about. Ratings. You know it's tainted. So why believe anything they say like 'your civil liberties' aren't all that important in the name of corporate power? Drug-testing on it's face is unconstitutional. It's called unlawful Search and Seizure. And if you don't believe in that, you obviously don't believe, in Probable Cause or Due Process.
We can pull anybody over for any reason, throw them in jail without charges, we can listen in on there phone conversations, read there emails, texts and drug test all in the name of Liberty. What I wanted to illustrate to Jenn is she naively thinks it will cost only $18 per person more to drug test these people. Does that account for the cost of the test itself or the cost of testing, the cost of paying someone to perform the test, the cost of processing more paperwork. I mean that's govt today. But my issue is how we are all so willing to give up our civil liberties so quickly, all in the name of security and fiscal sanity."
"Those who are willing to give up a little Liberty, for the sake of security, deserve neither."
-Benjamin Franklin
Larry L
"Billy what I copied and posted was not my words, I googled and found it. I just wanted to hear your opion on it. I don't agree to FDR taking peoples money or property, thats about all I heard from that era."
William B
"I understand. Google giveth and Google taketh away. You have my opinion. I don't think FDR is Robin Hood. I just feel that the old stories of wealth and greed still apply and staying in power is still the name of the game. That's the struggle. There is no law that says rich people have to take there money and create jobs with it, but who is to stop them from just putting the money in off shore accounts, where all it does is accumalate interest. Doesn't sound very jobs creationy to me.
But aside from getting to keep all your wealth, (because your country has had nothing to do with creating it, so why should I have to pay dues) this boils down to a pretty fundamental thing. When you here about Free Markets, this is nothing more then anti-government speak. Why? Because Free Marketers don't believe in government, they want to privatize EVERYTHING in the name of profit. Look up what happened to Chile when they privatized there social security.
I just happen to think that in some things profit-motives are Ok, but when it comes down to things like health insurance (NAME ME WHAT PURPOSE DO INSURANCE COMPANIES SERVE??) there is definitely a conflict of interest. "Should we pay for Johnny's chemo or should we make sure our profit-margin meets the monthly quota.' Those are your "Death Panels" that Sarah Palin deceptively trumpeted, but the Death Panels are here and now and have been going on for quite some time. The wealthiest nation on the face of the Earth and they can't figure out how to insure there own people, as the rest of the industrialized world laughs at us.
It is not about stealing from the rich to give to the poor, it's about paying your fair share. Pres Eisenhower the Republican, had a top tax rate of 91%. Now were down to 35% and wondering what went wrong. A Free Democracy is not free and the line is long for those waiting to tell you otherwise. Keep reading. Keep reading everything and you'll see too."